Tag Archives: tangotiger

It’s Going to His Head

Tangotiger, November 4, 2010:

On the other hand, my method is to use existing stories as a launching point for what I really want to say and do. My objective is to be timeless.

Tangotiger, Novemeber 18, 2010:

Tangotiger
Dean of new-fangled stats

Tangotiger, November 19, 2010:

As for why I bother to highlight [J.C. Bradbury] here, I suppose it’s similar to trying to expose the ridiculousness of what the media does as well. A sort of sabermetric Jon Stewart if you will.

Tangotiger, November 19, 2010:

ChuckO/11: I think you perfectly captured exactly what I am about, better than I could have described myself.

You can put that on my sabermetric tombstone when I retire!

Predicting Strikeouts with Wh- zzzzz…

In his article today throwing down the gauntlet against FanGraphs (and their Swartzianly-boring writers), Matt Swartz penned some of his finest prose yet:

For every one percentage point above average in the previous year’s strikeout rate, the following year’s strikeout rate is likely to be about 0.73 percentage points above average. However, for pitchers with the same strikeout rate the previous year, a pitcher with one percentage point higher swinging-strike rate only will have a 0.12 percentage point higher strikeout rate, which is not statistically significant.

Fascinating!

He even included six really killer tables, including something I can only call a Super Table:

The Super Table

Even more fascinating!

But then Tango had to go and kind of spoil the fun.

Anyway, BP was really strong today, as Will F**king Carroll led with “One of the hardest things I have to do is explaining [sic] what I do.” How about something like, “I write about sports injuries”? But that wouldn’t capture that certain je ne sais quoi of Under The Knife.

He went on to say, “The outright arrogance of some statheads and the inability to market any of the tools they’ve developed have held things back.” Can’t… write… irony… too great.

Tango Rushes to Summary Judgment

It’s surprising that the always-contrarian Tango is so upset that some unimportant Cub was injured by a flying piece of a broken bat since that position is so, well, trarian. Isn’t Tango the champion of letting the employees settle their own workplace safety issues? And being hit with sharp pieces of wood in the workplace seems like a workplace safety issue. (I especially like his line, “This is a workplace issue. Keep your righteous indignation to yourself.” Oh, the irony.)

I don’t necessarily think that things shouldn’t change, but I’m a little surprised no one has called out Tango on this (there are no comments on his post as of this writing). The Tangettes are slaves to Tango’s will, sure, but aren’t they also slaves to disagreeing with public opinion?

End of story.

This Week in SABR War

The Tangettes are revolting. Over on The Inside The Book The Book — Playing the Percentages in Baseball Blog (which reminds me of the Official Stephen A. Smith My Blog), you can witness the uprising in comment form against the God-King Tangotiger.

For those too squeamish for uncensored carnage, Tango said something about Stephen Strasburg and how he (that being Tango) is always right. And then we get to the comments. Here are highlight selections, in chronological order.

Mike Fast:

I don’t know what lesson, if any, I’d take from such a small sample, but it certainly would not be the lesson you [Tangotiger] are proposing.

Ken:

I don’t see how you can beat your chest on this topic, if anything I would expect you [Tangotiger] to post a “my bad”

Mike Fast:

Could your [Tangotiger's] rule of thumb still be right, despite Strasburg’s performance? I suppose it could be. But to try to use his performance as proof that you were right is involving some major arm-twisting and severe avoidance of sound sabermetric principles.

Tangotiger:

This is how it works guys. That’s why the Tom Seaver Rule is needed.

David Gassko (with an instant 2010 SABR Comment of the Year candidate):

Tom,

No, no, no, no, and once more, no. You CANNOT say that Strasburg was lucky, because we are not having this argument ex-post. The question of how Strasburg would do came up before he had ever thrown a major league pitch—therefore, there is NO reason to “correct” bias in his numbers. That would be like regressing to the mean twice. If a pitcher posts a 2.00 ERA in a season, maybe his likeliest true talent projection is 3.00. If a pitcher posts a 3.00 ERA, maybe his likeliest true talent is 3.75. But if a pitcher posts a 2.00 ERA, it does not follow that his likeliest true talent is 3.75. Which is what you are currently trying to argue. Strasburg was a pre-selected subject. Therefore, there is no reason to expect bias in his numbers. What happened happened. Oliver was right. You were wrong. End of story.

Tangotiger:

End of story.

You can say all the rest, but don’t say that.

Nick Steiner:

I agree with many of the points you [Tangotiger] make, but this is incredibly disingenuous.

Tangotiger:

And I’m saying that we observed 75% keeps the conversation open. Telling me “end of story” is the same thing as telling me to shut up. I’m talking, and I’ll keep talking, thanks.

Jeremy Greenhouse:

Tango, this doesn’t feel right. I think that you should take a few steps back from this argument and start running some numbers. Brian’s projection of Strasburg is something he should take pride in, and it seems like you’re summarily dismissing his work without evidence of your own.

And Tangotiger gets the last word (for now):

I was fair then in that thread, and I was fair in this thread.

Why Does Tangotiger Salivate over Kristi Dosh?

July 16, 2010:

Ideally, for [Dosh's] new blog, there’d be [a picture] of her in a red dress, kicking her feet up, drinking red wine at a typewriter.

Later in the same thread:

Ahhh… well, I guess those images are blocked at the office.  Usually it’s p-rn and blogspot.com that is blocked, and, I guess [Dosh's] picture fit into one of those categories.

He’s also posted the infamous “red dress” picture three times now and wanted to in the thread linked above, but his work internet filter prevented him from doing so.

The red dress picture is not this one:

Kristi Dosh

Someone explain this obsession to me, especially since other SABR kittens are out there.

Update: I think this roman à clef from Dosh’s fiction writing blog (WTF?) explains it all.

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Stick to Being an Academic, Thomas

The suggestion box thread on BP Unfiltered is a gift from the SABR gods. The best exchange by far, begins with sabermetric legend Tangotiger defending the right of another commenter to say that Matt Swartz sucks, rehashing the old The Book Blog obsession of content over tone. Some other dude seconds the opinion and adds that comment rating stinks.

So here comes Captain Non Sequitur, former Baseball Prospectus writer, Joe Sheehan. He writes, “That, more or less, is why forums are basically a non-starter. All cost, no revenue.” Tango, obviously annoyed by this customer-unfriendly attitude, responds, “Fangraphs has forums, and they don’t charge their readers. Primer has forums, and they don’t charge their readers. You’ve got to have a better reason for not having a forum considering that you are already charging readers.”

Before we get to Sheehan’s reply, put yourself in his shoes. How would you address what Tango said? You could point out that BP doesn’t have the staff or overhead to moderate forums. Or that the available forum software isn’t up to snuff and the company doesn’t have the money or time to build something better. Or you could just be polite and say that you’re looking into it.

Sheehan, logically, chose none of these:

How about this?

I’ve done sports content as a business for 15 years. By any standard I’m one of a small number of people to do it successfully outside the mainstream, I’ve played most of the roles one can play and holy god I’m sick of listening to you act as if you’ve had 1% of the success the people you criticize have had. How about you grant that I might know what I’m talking about, given that sports content has been my career, without me having to make a business case to someone with no standing to ask for one?

Fangraphs, as far as I can tell, is financed by a rich grandpa. Primer/BTF/Newsstand/Brand of the Day isn’t a business in any real sense of the word, it’s r.s.b ported to the Web and stripped of its spark. That you would make these comparisons shows just how little you understand of Prospectus, how little you’ve ever understood.

Stick to being an academic, Thomas. Stick to your sycophant-laden fora and your above-it-all mien. Stop jumping in here and cheap-shotting a business that you’ve never comprehended on your best day.

But how do you really feel, Joe?

Today we learned that Joe Sheehan is a “sports content” expert and he hates Tom Tango. And I just learned that fora is the plural of forum. So now you know!

Who Is Tangotiger?

It seems a fitting beginning to Praiseball Bospectus to tackle the biggest question facing SABR today: who exactly is Tangotiger? An introduction is far from necessary, as the 2006 book he co-authored with Mitchel Lichtman and Andy Dolphin, The Book: Playing the Percentages in Baseball, and its accompanying blog are necessary reading for all SABR. And he’s a statistical consultant for the Mariners and Blue Jays to boot.

Tangotiger is an obvious nom de plume, but I–like many people, I expect–assumed that Tom Tango was his real name, as “Tom M. Tango” appears on the cover of his book. But that’s not the case. According to Maclean’s magazine, “his real name a closely guarded secret.”

Long known in the online sabermetrics world as “Tango­tiger,” he tacked on the “Tom” and dropped the “Tiger” solely to have something semi-respectable-looking to put on the cover of The Book. “There are a lot of old-timers who think that I should sign my Christian name,” he blogged in 2008. “I don’t see why it’s anyone’s business other than mine.”

So what do we know about Tango? In the About the Authors section of The Book, we learn, “Tom Tango runs the Tango on Baseball website and has consulted for major league baseball teams. He lives in New Jersey.”

Keep in mind that Tango’s consulting gig with the Mariners began (as far as I can tell) in 2009 and his gig with the Blue Jays in 2010. It’s not much of a clue, but he’s worked with other teams before Seattle and Toronto. Not that it matters;  in the Maclean’s profile, Tango says, “Take all my past and current employers, colleagues, peers and readers, and I have met exactly one person.” One person? Who could it possibly be?

In the end, our best clues come from another profile, this from the Toronto Star. A lot of the information here was reported earlier and elsewhere, but it makes for a convenient summing up of the public information on Tango: from Montreal, lives in New Jersey, married, one child, male, 40-something, “trained computer programmer,” works in corporate America.

To find out more, we’re going to have to investigate in more uncommon ways. Well, the first known use of “tangotiger” is in a September 17, 1917 article in the New York Times, “All Seek an End to Sedition Mixup”:

“We want the question of free speech thrashed out fairly and squarely in the open,” [National Secretary of the Friends of Irish Freedom John D. Moore] said. “We want a jury trial for our speakers. On the other hand, the Fusion city administration and the Tammany county officers are trying to get the soapbox into politics. They have made a tango-tiger combination, which is working overtime to force us to be tried by one man of their section instead of by a jury of twelve.”

As for what a “tango-tiger combination” is, that warrants its own post.

It’s not really noticed again until March, 2004, when he’s referred to twice as an “analyst extraordinaire” from Baseball Primer on the Hardball Times. Baseball Primer is now the Baseball Think Factory and their archives are completely effed, so that’s a dead end. Extensive Googling, though, suggests that a comment from June 11, 2001, might be his first appearance on the internet. He says, “Would be nice to run a regression analysis of OBA/SLG/BA v R/game…” Note that he lists the slash stats in super-SABR order, thus confirming that this is the true Tangotiger.

By the way, he’s been on BBTF so long, his user ID is 11. For comparison, Chris Dial is 71, Voros McCracken is 76, and MGL is 80.

The first legitimate media mention of the actual Tangotiger came in the Seattle Times, in an article titled “Pitching and Defense Go Hand in Hand” published on June 1, 2005, where he’s called “research wizard Tango Tiger.”

The name Tom Tango or Tom M. Tango doesn’t really appear until 2006, which makes sense, considering he invented it for the cover of The Book.

So we explore elsewhere. Domain registration information for insidethebook.com gives us the ZIP code of 07932, in Florham Park, New Jersey. Unfortunately, domain registration information for Tango’s personal research site, tangotiger.net, lists 08837, in Edison, approximately 20 miles away. Both though list a contact number of 1-800-555-1212, which is just National Directory Assistance. In a 2006 comment, he says The Book is buyable by check sent to

TMA PRESS
PO BOX 21
FLORHAM PARK, NJ 07932-0021

The earliest archived version of his now-defunct Geocities site, Tango on Baseball–from 2002–doesn’t give away anything. Although his e-mail address then was tangotigre@aol.com, whereas now it’s tangotiger@yahoo.com. Was tangotiger already taken on AOL?

Obviously, Tango is really smart and quite serious about his privacy. Barring a bonehead mistake on his part, the public isn’t going to know who he is unless he wants us to. But combining the publicly available information with what’s obvious from reading his non-sports posts on The Book blog, there’s a profile to be on the lookout for. So the next time you’re in northern New Jersey and meet a 40-something, white (come on, he loves hockey), married, one-child-having, libertarian-leaning Canadian who works for large corporations doing database stuff, graduated college in 1990, and loves escrow accounts, he might just be Tangotiger!